Post by altomarelatios on Mar 8, 2010 5:56:02 GMT
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About the card Prohibition
Continuous Spell Card
When you activate this card, declare 1 card name. Cards with that name and their effects cannot be used. Cards on the field before this card was activated are not affected (including face-down cards).
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Analysis
You gotta admit, it's a pretty powerful card. It can crush or severely slow down an opponent's deck if used correctly.
Here's a list of recommended cards to call out if you happen to verse these decks and have a Prohibition in hand.
(Feel free to post suggestions or objections/changes)
Gladiator Beasts: Gladiator Beast Bestiari (This will prevent one of the most powerful cards in their deck. It will also prevent them from Summoning Gyzarus. Killing two birds with one stone ([hover=Literally because both Bestiari and Gyzarus are Winged Beasts]literally[/hover]) is always nice)
Blackwings: Icarus Attack (This can easily destroy your Prohibition, it's really powerful and most BW decks run 2-3). Maybe Black Whirlwind (It's powerful, but it's Semi-Limited and can easily be destroyed)
Zombies: Zombie Master, maybe Plaguespreader Zombie
Lightsworns: It would have been Lumina, but that's now Limited. Any suggestions? like Honest, JD...
Monarchs: Caius maybe (Most Monarch decks run 3 Caius and 3 Raiza, Raiza's not much of a threat to this card, but Caius is)
Dark Gaia OTK: Evil Hero Dark Gaia (This is the key to the deck, without it, it's nothing. If a Fusion Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Fusion Summoned from the Extra Deck.)
Ancient Gear: Geartown? (not sure on ruling for this, need to check)
Infernity: Infernity Gun (Their main Summoning power)
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Any Ruling Contradictions or Misunderstandings?
Upon reading the rulings, I noticed that some seemed like they contradict each other, that is until you read it carefully, so if you see a pair of contradictions, point them out and I'll try explain why it's like that.
e.g.
> A declared Monster Card can be Special Summoned from the Deck, Graveyard, or Removed Zone.
> If a Fusion Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Fusion Summoned from the Extra Deck with "Polymerization".
This is correct as it means Main Deck, this does not include the Extra Deck.
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Here are the main rulings on this card.
General
"Cannot play" ("cannot be used") includes Normal Summoning/Special Summoning the declared Monster, activating the declared Monster's effect, activating the declared Spell/Trap Card, changing the declared Monster's Battle Position, or attacking with the declared Monster. In general, it includes any use for the monster other than as a cost.
"cannot be used" means that the declared card cannot be placed onto the field from your hand.
A declared Monster Card cannot be Summoned or Set from your hand, and any effect it activates while in your hand cannot be activated.
A declared Spell or Trap Card cannot be activated or Set from your hand.
Every player in the Duel cannot "use" the declared card.
On Summoning
A declared Monster Card can be Special Summoned from the Deck, Graveyard, or Removed Zone. If this happens, the Monster Card's effects are not applied, and it cannot attack or change its battle position manually. Any maintainence costs must still be paid.
If a Monster Card declared by "Prohibition" is Special Summoned, it cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster for a Synchro Summon.
Using a Monster as a Synchro Material Monster is considered "playing" ("using") the Monster. A Monster declared by "Prohibition" cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster.
If a Fusion Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Fusion Summoned from the Extra Deck with "Polymerization". If a Fusion Material Monster is declared, it cannot be used in a Fusion Summon.
If a Ritual Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Ritual Summoned.
Returning "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" to the Deck to Special Summon "Gladiator Beast Gyzarus" is considered "playing" ("using") "Gladiator Beast Bestiari". If "Prohibition" declares "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" and later "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" is Special Summoned by the effect of another "Gladiator Beast" monster, then you cannot return "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" to the Deck to Special Summon "Gladiator Beast Gyzarus".
If "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" is declared by "Prohibition", "Elemental Hero Prisma"/"Phantom of Chaos"/etc can have its name changed to "Gladiator Beast Bestiari". If "Elemental Hero Prisma" etc was on the field before having its name changed, then it can attack, change its Battle Position, etc. If "Prohibition" was activated and later "Elemental Hero Prisma" etc was Summoned, then when the name of "Elemental Hero Prisma" is changed to "Gladiator Beast Bestiari", it cannot attack, change its Battle Position, etc.
Other / Timing on when monsters are on the field
The declared card may be used to pay costs. The declared card can be discarded, Tributed, or sent to the Graveyard.
If a declared Monster Card is Special Summoned face-down (by "Cyber Jar", etc.), when it is flipped face-up its effects are not applied. If it has a Flip Effect, the Flip Effect does not activate.
Declared cards on the field before "Prohibition" resolves are unaffected. Declared Monster Cards Set before "Prohibition" resolves can be Flip Summoned. Declared Spell or Trap Cards Set before "Prohibition" resolves can be activated.
The Ignition-like effects of a declared Continuous Spell or Trap Card face-up on the field before "Prohibition" resolves can still be activated.
If "Sinister Serpant" is declared, a "Sinister Serpant" in the Graveyard cannot be returned to its owner's hand. If the "Sinister Serpant" was on the field before "Prohibition" resolved, it can be returned to its owner's hand but "cannot be used" after returning to its owner's hand.
If "Exodia the Forbidden One" is declared with "Prohibition", when a player has all five pieces of Exodia in their hand, they win the Duel. This is a win condition and cannot be prevented with "Prohibition".
If "Prohibition" is active and another "Prohibition" is activated, declaring "Prohibition", the copies of "Prohibition" on the field are unaffected, but other "Prohibition" cannot be activated or Set.
If "Prohibition" declares "Sangan" or "Witch of the Black Forest", if the declared card is on the field when "Prohibition" resolves, its effect will activate when it is sent to the Graveyard. If the declared card is Special Summoned after "Prohibition" resolves, it "cannot be used", so its effect will not activate when it is sent to the Graveyard.
If "Jinzo" is declared by "Prohibition", the effect of a "Jinzo" that is already on the field is still applied. If a "Jinzo" is Special Summoned, it "cannot be used", so the effects of Trap Cards are not negated and Trap Cards can be activated.
If "Thunder Dragon", "Honest", or "Kuriboh" is declared with "Prohibition", it can be discarded with "Card Destruction" but it cannot be discarded to activate its effect.
"Valkyrion the Magna Warrior", "The Fiend Megacyber", or "Gate Guardian" declared by "Prohibiton" cannot be Special Summoned from your hand.
If "Lord of D." is declared with "Prohibition", if it is Special Summoned it "cannot be used", but "The Flute of Summoning Dragon" can be activated.
If "Metalzoa" or "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon" is declared with "Prohibition", they cannot be Special Summoned from the Deck.
If a "Spirit Message" card is declared with "Prohibition", it can still be placed onto the field by the effect of "Destiny Board".
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About the card Prohibition
Continuous Spell Card
When you activate this card, declare 1 card name. Cards with that name and their effects cannot be used. Cards on the field before this card was activated are not affected (including face-down cards).
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Analysis
You gotta admit, it's a pretty powerful card. It can crush or severely slow down an opponent's deck if used correctly.
Here's a list of recommended cards to call out if you happen to verse these decks and have a Prohibition in hand.
(Feel free to post suggestions or objections/changes)
Gladiator Beasts: Gladiator Beast Bestiari (This will prevent one of the most powerful cards in their deck. It will also prevent them from Summoning Gyzarus. Killing two birds with one stone ([hover=Literally because both Bestiari and Gyzarus are Winged Beasts]literally[/hover]) is always nice)
Blackwings: Icarus Attack (This can easily destroy your Prohibition, it's really powerful and most BW decks run 2-3). Maybe Black Whirlwind (It's powerful, but it's Semi-Limited and can easily be destroyed)
Zombies: Zombie Master, maybe Plaguespreader Zombie
Lightsworns: It would have been Lumina, but that's now Limited. Any suggestions? like Honest, JD...
Monarchs: Caius maybe (Most Monarch decks run 3 Caius and 3 Raiza, Raiza's not much of a threat to this card, but Caius is)
Dark Gaia OTK: Evil Hero Dark Gaia (This is the key to the deck, without it, it's nothing. If a Fusion Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Fusion Summoned from the Extra Deck.)
Ancient Gear: Geartown? (not sure on ruling for this, need to check)
Infernity: Infernity Gun (Their main Summoning power)
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Any Ruling Contradictions or Misunderstandings?
Upon reading the rulings, I noticed that some seemed like they contradict each other, that is until you read it carefully, so if you see a pair of contradictions, point them out and I'll try explain why it's like that.
e.g.
> A declared Monster Card can be Special Summoned from the Deck, Graveyard, or Removed Zone.
> If a Fusion Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Fusion Summoned from the Extra Deck with "Polymerization".
This is correct as it means Main Deck, this does not include the Extra Deck.
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Here are the main rulings on this card.
General
"Cannot play" ("cannot be used") includes Normal Summoning/Special Summoning the declared Monster, activating the declared Monster's effect, activating the declared Spell/Trap Card, changing the declared Monster's Battle Position, or attacking with the declared Monster. In general, it includes any use for the monster other than as a cost.
"cannot be used" means that the declared card cannot be placed onto the field from your hand.
A declared Monster Card cannot be Summoned or Set from your hand, and any effect it activates while in your hand cannot be activated.
A declared Spell or Trap Card cannot be activated or Set from your hand.
Every player in the Duel cannot "use" the declared card.
On Summoning
A declared Monster Card can be Special Summoned from the Deck, Graveyard, or Removed Zone. If this happens, the Monster Card's effects are not applied, and it cannot attack or change its battle position manually. Any maintainence costs must still be paid.
If a Monster Card declared by "Prohibition" is Special Summoned, it cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster for a Synchro Summon.
Using a Monster as a Synchro Material Monster is considered "playing" ("using") the Monster. A Monster declared by "Prohibition" cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster.
If a Fusion Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Fusion Summoned from the Extra Deck with "Polymerization". If a Fusion Material Monster is declared, it cannot be used in a Fusion Summon.
If a Ritual Monster is declared with "Prohibition", it cannot be Ritual Summoned.
Returning "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" to the Deck to Special Summon "Gladiator Beast Gyzarus" is considered "playing" ("using") "Gladiator Beast Bestiari". If "Prohibition" declares "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" and later "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" is Special Summoned by the effect of another "Gladiator Beast" monster, then you cannot return "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" to the Deck to Special Summon "Gladiator Beast Gyzarus".
If "Gladiator Beast Bestiari" is declared by "Prohibition", "Elemental Hero Prisma"/"Phantom of Chaos"/etc can have its name changed to "Gladiator Beast Bestiari". If "Elemental Hero Prisma" etc was on the field before having its name changed, then it can attack, change its Battle Position, etc. If "Prohibition" was activated and later "Elemental Hero Prisma" etc was Summoned, then when the name of "Elemental Hero Prisma" is changed to "Gladiator Beast Bestiari", it cannot attack, change its Battle Position, etc.
Other / Timing on when monsters are on the field
The declared card may be used to pay costs. The declared card can be discarded, Tributed, or sent to the Graveyard.
If a declared Monster Card is Special Summoned face-down (by "Cyber Jar", etc.), when it is flipped face-up its effects are not applied. If it has a Flip Effect, the Flip Effect does not activate.
Declared cards on the field before "Prohibition" resolves are unaffected. Declared Monster Cards Set before "Prohibition" resolves can be Flip Summoned. Declared Spell or Trap Cards Set before "Prohibition" resolves can be activated.
The Ignition-like effects of a declared Continuous Spell or Trap Card face-up on the field before "Prohibition" resolves can still be activated.
If "Sinister Serpant" is declared, a "Sinister Serpant" in the Graveyard cannot be returned to its owner's hand. If the "Sinister Serpant" was on the field before "Prohibition" resolved, it can be returned to its owner's hand but "cannot be used" after returning to its owner's hand.
If "Exodia the Forbidden One" is declared with "Prohibition", when a player has all five pieces of Exodia in their hand, they win the Duel. This is a win condition and cannot be prevented with "Prohibition".
If "Prohibition" is active and another "Prohibition" is activated, declaring "Prohibition", the copies of "Prohibition" on the field are unaffected, but other "Prohibition" cannot be activated or Set.
If "Prohibition" declares "Sangan" or "Witch of the Black Forest", if the declared card is on the field when "Prohibition" resolves, its effect will activate when it is sent to the Graveyard. If the declared card is Special Summoned after "Prohibition" resolves, it "cannot be used", so its effect will not activate when it is sent to the Graveyard.
If "Jinzo" is declared by "Prohibition", the effect of a "Jinzo" that is already on the field is still applied. If a "Jinzo" is Special Summoned, it "cannot be used", so the effects of Trap Cards are not negated and Trap Cards can be activated.
If "Thunder Dragon", "Honest", or "Kuriboh" is declared with "Prohibition", it can be discarded with "Card Destruction" but it cannot be discarded to activate its effect.
"Valkyrion the Magna Warrior", "The Fiend Megacyber", or "Gate Guardian" declared by "Prohibiton" cannot be Special Summoned from your hand.
If "Lord of D." is declared with "Prohibition", if it is Special Summoned it "cannot be used", but "The Flute of Summoning Dragon" can be activated.
If "Metalzoa" or "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon" is declared with "Prohibition", they cannot be Special Summoned from the Deck.
If a "Spirit Message" card is declared with "Prohibition", it can still be placed onto the field by the effect of "Destiny Board".
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